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[] -11 points

i find it interesting that you can upvote as much as you want and it only depends on your PC power

[] -4 points

lol wtf

it's true

[] -2 points

On notabug topics are as uncensored as the law allows

The law in which country?

[] -1 points

It's more accurate to say nearly or something, I didn't write this Tree did and I thought it was pretty good overall so adopted it.

We can always update it or post a new version in the poster (meant to post it as notabug.io so it could be edited but forgot to login)

Doxing itself isn't illegal, but it's a necessary step towards many illegal (and more importantly, harmful) activities and dramas that would entangle me in legal BS.

Similar story with the clauses against sexualizing minors.

But to actually answer your question, the warlords in the US are those we have to abide by and I have no intention to abide by the EU's new draconian internet laws. But notabug the software/network is built so that an EU citizen could try to run a compliant peer if it is desirable to do so.

[]Tree_Perception -0 points

The one that can attempt to prosecute go1dish or the host.

[] -0 points

long praise nab.cx!

[] -1 points

"long praise"? That doesn't make any sense.

[] -0 points

mucho grande praise is much better.

[] -3 points

Very interesting concept !

[] -0 points

Yes, indeed

[] -0 points

I agree

[] -3 points

So I thought which concepts could make reddit better, and maybe I should share them here (because why not, I won't build my reddit alternative lol):

1) better other discussions tab - it's absent in nab, but I think it's a pretty cool feature, and it could be even cooler

I mean, let's normalize urls for it - remove any parameters after ? for big news websites, use just ID for youtube/imgur/whatever content websites, expand shortened urls (see unshorten/redirectdetective)

2) votable tags/select by tag - yeah, we have topics, but imho a couple of tags is better than one, and we don't have that even on reddit

(not for current nab)

3) moderator elections: count time spent on sub page with javascript, count submissions/comments/votes over a period of time - consider a user a "citizen" of a sub with election rights after surpassing some limits of parameters above

4) protected links (against brigading): basically signed by server key with used id, so you can't vote when logged in as other user

[] -0 points

Other Discussions

I love the Other Discussions tab and it's definitely something I want to support on NAB, internally there is some work towards this already but not exposed in UI yet. Normalizing URLs is one of those things that seems a lot easier in theory than practice I think; it's worth exploring but isn't trivial.

votable tags/select by tag

Topics are kinda like tags, and having the topic be singiular associates the voting with a specific topic/content combo which I think is a good thing.

A different sort of tagging via comments is coming to spaces though which will be a sort of combination between removal reasons and filterable flair the way I'm currently thinking about it.

moderator elections

Are a cool idea, but idk how well they fit with the model here, anyone can effectively fork a space and change what mods have control over the result while still keeping the work of those mods they like.

protected links (against brigading): basically signed by server key with used id, so you can't vote when logged in as other user

Not sure I fully understand what you mean here, but currently there is no way to associate votes with users and doing so has privacy implications, the entire database here is public which is what makes it possible to be decentralized.

[]Tree_Perception -2 points

Not OP and I'm going to assume you're go1dfish

moderator elections

Back when spaces weren't even in discussion, I wrote a suggestion about how moderation could be handled. One of the points in there addressed default spaces for a topic, this is probably what the guy meant by "moderator elections".

Going through the ideas for introducing people to spaces:

  • The initial suggestion the in the above mentioned proposal: Let the peer owner decide. Unfortunately, there is no way for a single person to handle that much work.

  • First come, First served, this works for reddit most of the time, with the backup of appealing to the admins if the previous owner is just squatting it. PoW could also be used to limit topic hoarders. However timestamps can be manipulated, therefore you cannot tell who was actually "first" just by using those. You could have the peer itself act as a witness tho, maybe even allow other peers to act as witnesses in the case of hosting new peers.

  • PoW Voting, the highest voted space for a topic would get to be default for it. Obviously, larger entities will be able to squash smaller ones.

  • Space flairs, this is my favorite one so far and has the plus of being compatible with everything else, users' posts and comments would have a flair attached to them which shows what the space the submitter was using at that time. The downside of this proposal is that an easy vector of attack is just spamming the topic with unrelated content and space flairs, therefore you need to already be on a space which deals with this kind of spam.

As you've probably noticed, spam and various other malicious automated actions are a problem for the latter 3 options, the last one is the least affected by it once the user has found at least one person to put them on the web of trust, but that's still an issue.

Which is why I asked you if you'd be willing to put signed voting on the default. Having to repeatedly pass the Turing test to get past voting restrictions weeds out any bots that some may employ, and as voat proved human run voting farms are very easy to detect and squash. Even if the global community ends up having a bias, you will be able to jump from space to space inching closer to what you want via space flairs.

[]go1dfish -1 points

Yeah that was me and these are some good points.

One thing that web facing peers like notabug.io could do is have some sort of short name access for certain spaces like say /s/politics and it would even be relatively easy to change those overtime through whatever governance mechanism chosen.

Space Flairs is still compatible with that sort of approach and is likely to come first.

It's not time to think about voting too much from my perspective yet IMO, the spammyness PoW voting encourages is actually a good thing in the sense that it helps highlight performance issues early.

[] -3 points

Government's banning of child pornography produces a copyright effect.

D = CV*min(1,FR/FV)-CR

FR is the risk of interacting with a media for free. The CV can never be zero'd and if the government tried to increase FV they would literally be publishing child pornography.

So once you have a non-zero FR you create a demand curve and enable its funding. Why has the production rate gone up from almost zero to thousands a year since it was made a felony to possess? Well there is risk in torrenting cp and there is risk (smaller) in torrenting Justin Bieber. They are actually the same policy with different intents. They don't have opposite outcomes.

[] -0 points

Another thing to note is because these are all distributions the CR doesn't really work. A distribution minus a distribution is still a distribution and you still have a demand curve. The only option is to reduce FR to zero and go back to 1990s production rate (which was zero for actual child abuse imagery).

[] -1 points

Fuck off oddball.

[]ekjp -4 points

ok

[] -0 points

h,m,

[] -160 points

This has zero chance of becoming anything better than an even more cancerous version of leddit, sorry.

[] -0 points

Why?

[] -0 points

Because it takes leddit's broken voting system and breaks it even more, allowing anyone to manipulate votes without even going through the trouble of creating an account. The proof-of-work voting further amplifies the general issue of the internet that CPU time = controlling the narrative.

[]go1dfish -1 points

It’s a trade off. Any other voting system in a distributed environment would give up anonymity in voting.

My belief is that it’s not currently possible to enforce one person one vote on the Internet even with considerable effort and resources, and even if you could it would almost certainly require a transparency into who voted on what.

So instead nab uses a voting approach that is anonymous, verifiable and distributed, but it’s certainly not ideal, and the means of casting and tabulating votes is something that other peers and communities can experiment with on the same network.

[] -0 points

Nice to see you read and answer even when my comment was buried. I'm sorry for thinking you would do such things I implied.

You're probably correct that it's not possible to enforce without giving up anonymity, I've spent much time thinking about this myself and can't think of any way to prove uniqueness online without at least temporarily giving up anonymity. It could be possible to prevent multiple votes from the same account in a way that wouldn't disclose who voted on what, but that wouldn't prevent anyone from having multiple accounts.

I'm very interested in such issues and possible solutions and will keep an eye on this site. I hope time will prove me wrong, but honestly I don't believe it will. Still it has to be tried, thank you for doing that. I wish you all the best for this and your future projects

[]go1dfish -0 points

Thanks for the kind words and support :)

I've spent much time thinking about this myself and can't think of any way to prove uniqueness online without at least temporarily giving up anonymity.

There are some approaches, but they are both over my head math/crypto wise and none seem well suited to the sort of rolling election that a site like this represents for every piece of content.

https://crypto.stanford.edu/pbc/notes/crypto/voting.html

Once everything else is figured out to make nab work like it needs to voting is something that can be re-addressed; the choice of PoW voting is not something that reverberates through the design; it's rather isolated, and useful as a rate limiter even if other voting systems are later built on top.

[] -0 points

Wtf I answered to this and now my answer is gone? Why?

[]go1dfish -0 points

Was a bug, one that is hopefully fixed now, sorry you experienced it.

[] -0 points

Ok, vote wars aside, why did the comment below where I explained why I think so disappear, aswell as the comment saying my CPU seems to be slightly faster than that of some other user?

[] -0 points

So this comment disappeared (checked on a different computer) and now reappeared again? Is this site just horribly buggy or is this supposed to be funny?

[] -0 points

Ok now all disappeared comments show up again, ebin. If this is a bug, I hope you can fix it, if not I hope you had a good laugh. Goodbye.

[]go1dfish -0 points

It’s a bug, thanks for stopping by and sorry you were affected by it.

[] -1 points

Looks like you figured out the how voting works. Good for you. When reddit finally drives you out (first they came for... etc) we'll welcome you back with open arms.

[] -1 points

found the buttmad redditfag lel

[] -8 points

Looks like you figured out the how voting works. Good for you. When reddit finally drives you out (first they came for... etc) we'll welcome you back with open arms.

[] -0 points

To the one downvoting me a bunch: See? Seems my CPU is slightly faster than yours...

[] -4 points

Looks like you figured out the how voting works. Good for you. When reddit finally drives you out (first they came for... etc) we'll welcome you back with open arms.

[] -4 points

Wait let me help you downvoting, I'm done with this site lol.

[] -4 points

Ah, so someone is trolling me epic style. So much for a free speech platform. Why not delete the top level comment aswell?

[] -0 points

I mean, what's the point? I stated my opinion, was asked to clarify, provided arguments and they got deleted? Thanks for proving my point I guess?

[] -1 points

Holy shit this website is cancer.

[] -1 points

then fuck off back to your hugbox faggot

[] -0 points

there are periods of shitposting yeah

[] -29 points

There wasn't a single nigger that was lynched after 1998. That's about to change. Brace up, niggers.

[] -29 points

There wasn't a single nigger that was lynched after 1998. That's about to change. Brace up, niggers.